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Alpha Roll - One Mistake When Working With Aggressive Dogs

Aggressive Dog MistakesApproximately half of my private dog training caseload involves aggression directed towards other dogs or people. While more difficult than basic or advanced training, my success rate for helping a dog overcome aggression is very high. I practice very measured, systematic strategies to lower dogs overall anxiety and help them learn to be comfortable in situations that currently make them aggressive. I only recommend, and use, positive reinforcement techniques.

When I am working with my clients, I focus on determining what strategies are most effective with each individual dog. I have found certain techniques to be extremely effective and I also see mistakes and read about other trainer’s suggestions that can create problems and cause the treatment to take longer or be ineffective.

This will be an ongoing series of one or more mistakes that you can learn from to adjust your training strategies.

Mistake - Alpha Rolls

Some trainers recommend flipping a dog on his back when he shows aggression. This is called an "alpha roll". Sometimes I have heard that it is also recommended for someone to put their face close to the dog’s face while they are in this position. This is named after the supposed, and incorrect, notion that the best way to modify a dog's behavior is to "show it whose boss" or "be the alpha". Trainers lacking in understanding of animal behavior think that wolves flip subordinate wolves on their backs in this position to exert dominance in a pack situation. In reality, submissive pack members will roll over on their own to show that they mean no harm. 

Why it is a Mistake
You are punishing the behavior and not addressing the underlying anxiety. A dog often shows aggression because he is uncomfortable with something and wants it to move away. For instance, if a dog growls at a child and then the dog is alpha rolled, this puts the dog in a very vulnerable position at the same distance away from the child that originally caused the anxiety and aggression.

The dog will not become more comfortable in that situation. He is still uncomfortable, but now he is also more vulnerable. This can increase the negative association with the child because sometimes it results in the added trauma of being rolled. It can also have the added problem of punishing signals. Barking or growling is a signal to the child to move away. If the dog is punished for giving signals, he might stop giving signals but still remain anxious. Besides being anxious that a child is going to come too close, the dog is also anxious that he will be punished for giving signals. The dog might remain quiet in that situation, but this is a false reading of comfort around children. As the anxiety builds over repeated exposures, a dog is repeatedly put into emotional turmoil and can reach a point where he can’t handle the proximity to the child and attacks, seemingly unprovoked.

A few months ago a client called me up because her dog bit her in the face after she alpha rolled him when he growled at her. She was told to roll her dog and put her face right up to the dog's face and say, "NO!". This advice was given to her by a trainer that advocates choke chains and other physical punishments. Her dog bit her in the face, requring 5 stiches. After assessing her dog for handling, approach and resource guarding issues, we worked together over a few weeks and I showed her positive reinforcement strategies to address these issues. She has had no problems since and she also doesn't have to jerk her dog around with a choke chain. The dog isn't afraid to growl at her, he is more comfortable with the specific interactions that my client has with him. Big difference. 

Do you have techniques for dealing with your aggressive dog that you would like to share? Comment below. All comments welcome.  

Comments

 

Curt said:

I could have used some of this advice years ago with a Spitz I owned. I would never have put my face in his face like that though. I got my finger bit doing that with my finger!

March 10, 2008 1:29 PM
 

Jeff Millman said:

Thanks for the comment. Sorry you had difficulty before. Check back often for new posts.

March 10, 2008 1:44 PM
 

Lola said:

Jeff: Thank you for saying that! I am constantly dealing with people who have watched too much TV and have bought into this Alpha Roll myth.  It's very scary to imagine people with little to no dog handling experience even trying this maneuver.

I believe that each type of aggression needs to be treated differently as well. I would use different techniques with aggression towards men case as opposed to food guarding.  Both can be viewed as aggression even though the motivation is different.

I was watching a dvd by Trish King on the many faces of fear aggression and she talks about defining the term "aggression."  Very interesting as the word really covers a lot of behavior!

March 10, 2008 10:33 PM
 

Jeff Millman said:

It is such a popular topic right now. People really want to help their dogs and will try anything to help them, even if the techniques are founded on flawed principles of animal learning. It is a battle overcoming the seemingly "magical" techniques shown on television. When actually tried, most people realize that there are no quick fixes. Unfortunately, many dogs are getting abused in the trial and error process.

March 10, 2008 11:05 PM
 

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August 6, 2008 10:56 PM
 

Alex said:

I find this to be wrong. Everyone has their own opinions. I am only 15, yes, but I've dealt with 4 aggressive dogs.

One is Nikki, a severely dog aggressive Border Collie mix.

She bared her teeth at a dog in her backyard, and i ran in and rolled her over and growled at her myself. After that, she didn't do anything, no anxiety, stress, or fear. She began playing with the dog and everything. After a few more dogs she met, she is now well-balanced and never growls or anything.

Second dog was a person aggressive dog. Only 8 pounds, but an awful bite she had. After several rolls and growls from me, she allowed perfect strangers to pet her. I gave plenty of positive feedback.

Third case was a lot more difficult. She is an American Bulldog and Pointer mix. 89 pounds of pure muscle, trying to get at other dogs. I got a choker chain, gave an occasional jerk to the side, just enough to break her concentration. After a few alpha rolls, she gave up, and now is fine around dogs.

and fourth. a (used to be) dog aggressive Blue Heeler and German shepherd mix. choker chain, and alpha rolls, they all cleared up.

i used tons of positive feedback, and they are all fine now.

August 13, 2008 7:47 PM
 

Jeff Millman said:

I am glad you did not get bitten when you did this. I am not alone in my disdain for this practice. When you have an animal under duress and add more stress, you can put him or her over the edge resulting in a bite.

I have spoken to many people over the years that were sent to the hospital after trying this.

I also don't agree with the notion that we can growl at dogs and communicate to them.

August 13, 2008 9:00 PM
 

Alex said:

No, I find what you say to be wrong.

I find the way with growling and alpha rolls to be the right way.

And yeah, when i growl at them, they stop what they are doing, look at me, then roll over.

It works, and it does communicate with them. They understand it.

When they get stressed, I give them some space, but i still let them know im the alpha

August 13, 2008 10:05 PM
 

Jeff Millman said:

If you growl at them and they turn over, that is the same as a cue, "roll over". Simple animal learning theory explains that repetitive associations resulting in specific behavior ties a cue to a behavior. So, you have taught your dogs that growling means that cue.

But, the real question is what exactly are they thinking? Are they scared, are they intimidated? Another question for you is what do you want them to be? Do you want your dogs scared of you? If that is the case, I think that is a shame.

Why not get away from choke chains and other aversives and work on being a good teacher using specific training strategies?

August 14, 2008 10:02 PM
 

Alex said:

Of course I don't want them to be scared by me. I want them to repect me, and I earn their respect first before I even think about doing the alpha roll. And nope, I don't use the roll method if they happen to go pee or poo in the house, if I'm not home, I'll just say its okay, put them outside for a little so they can go back to the bathroom, but if I'm home and they go pee or poo in the room (they go to the door when they need to go to the bathroom) the way I punish them is by saying 'no' in a firm voice, and pick up the poo. When I tell them no, they put their head down a little, their body doesn't crouch down or anything, but they just don't look at me in the eye, and that's it. They knew they were wrong, and they looked ashamed lol.

I only do the roll if we are playing and it goes to far and I say enough or stop (they know both commands) and they dont, ill just hold on the the side of their neck gently and growl easily. then they slowly drop and show me their bellies. thats it, they know what it means.

I've never hit my dogs. they know sit, down, stay, high five, no, shake, sit up, they dont pull on the leash, nothing. i also only do the roll when they attempt to challenge me. like if i grab  a chew bone, and they growl, i take the toy and growl and flip them over. when i growl they look at me like what the heck?

so they dont immediatly flip over when i growl. a growl is a warning. thats it. ive used this method all my life from 180 pound great danes to 240 pound mastiffs and neapolitans, to tiny little 8 pound chihuahuas.

it all works.

it workd for me, the dog isnt scared, once they roll, i rub their belly, so they are quite relaxed.

August 15, 2008 11:40 PM
 

Jeff Millman said:

If you have to constantly growl at your dogs for various things, then what you are doing just isn't working. Clients hire me to help them solve all the problems that you describe, I use completely humane techniques and the problems get solved without continuous challenges and no growling -- by me or the dogs.

The dogs are taught through desensitization and counter conditioning that they don't need to be anxious around the stimuli that they are reacting to when my client's hire me.

There is a lot of science behind what I am doing and lots of results to back it up. You have trained a few dogs, that is great. I have trained thousands.

It sounds like your mind is made up and you are going to do alpha rolls forever. I just hope you don't get bit.

Take care,

Jeff

August 20, 2008 9:33 AM
 

Kelly said:

r.e Alex. You're fooling yourself if you genuinly think your methods & ideals are better than someone like Jeff. Claiming you've used the growling & rolling methods "your whole life" is ridiculous; you are 15 years old, your whole life dealing with such dogs amounts to 4 aggressive dogs (as you stated) & around 5 years of coherant thought processes regarding dogs, their behaviour & your behaviour. To argue with someone who has genuinly worked with dogs their whole lives, i.e. more than 20 years simply highlights your immaturity & youth.

I have worked with dogs for more than 15 years & went from the use of a choke chain & alpha rolls, etc in my early years to same positive methods adopted by the likes of Jeff as research has developed over the years. I have also worked with thousands of rescue dogs, both in homes & in shelters across hundreds of different breeds (from chi's to mastiffs & danes) & have found the use of 'dominance' to be the best way to get bitten. I believe you are a VERY lucky person indeed to be bite free for as long as you have but it may only be a matter of time before you end up seriously injured.

That point aside, I strongly suggest you do some reading into the use of choke chains & their physiological effects on dogs - specifically the damage done to the spine, neck muscles, nerves, the trachea & larynx/pharynx, regardless of the breed the chain is used on.

Fair enough your method may have worked for the dogs you worked with, try not to forget many dogs that 'respect' their alpha quickly redirect their aggression, frustration & anxiety onto others when 'alpha' is not around.

further more, the dog owning/behaviour/ethology community is moving forwards all the time regarding training & counselling methods, if you do not keep up & learn to change & adapt your ideas & opinions you will quickly lose any credit & respect you may already have from both clients & those in the field.

Jeff - well done for doing your best to change another stubborn, obstinate & arrogant point of view, its a shame you were not successful, especially with such a young person just beginning their life with dogs. Its the dogs we should feel sympathy for, they are ones who will suffer.

September 5, 2008 5:13 AM
 

Kelly said:

r.e Alex. You're fooling yourself if you genuinly think your methods & ideals are better than someone like Jeff. Claiming you've used the growling & rolling methods "your whole life" is ridiculous; you are 15 years old, your whole life dealing with such dogs amounts to 4 aggressive dogs (as you stated) & around 5 years of coherant thought processes regarding dogs, their behaviour & your behaviour. To argue with someone who has genuinly worked with dogs their whole lives, i.e. more than 20 years simply highlights your immaturity & youth.

I have worked with dogs for more than 15 years & went from the use of a choke chain & alpha rolls, etc in my early years to same positive methods adopted by the likes of Jeff as research has developed over the years. I have also worked with thousands of rescue dogs, both in homes & in shelters across hundreds of different breeds (from chi's to mastiffs & danes) & have found the use of 'dominance' to be the best way to get bitten. I believe you are a VERY lucky person indeed to be bite free for as long as you have but it may only be a matter of time before you end up seriously injured.

That point aside, I strongly suggest you do some reading into the use of choke chains & their physiological effects on dogs - specifically the damage done to the spine, neck muscles, nerves, the trachea & larynx/pharynx, regardless of the breed the chain is used on.

Fair enough your method may have worked for the dogs you worked with, try not to forget many dogs that 'respect' their alpha quickly redirect their aggression, frustration & anxiety onto others when 'alpha' is not around.

further more, the dog owning/behaviour/ethology community is moving forwards all the time regarding training & counselling methods, if you do not keep up & learn to change & adapt your ideas & opinions you will quickly lose any credit & respect you may already have from both clients & those in the field.

Jeff - well done for doing your best to change another stubborn, obstinate & arrogant point of view, its a shame you were not successful, especially with such a young person just beginning their life with dogs. Its the dogs we should feel sympathy for, they are ones who will suffer.

September 5, 2008 5:13 AM

About Jeff Millman

I am a private dog trainer in Chicago, IL. I studied at the famous Academy for Dog Training in San Francisco, with the phenomenal trainer Jean Donaldson. I started Chicago Paws, my private dog training business in 2001 and I started my online dog training site WatchandTrain.com January of 2007. I launched the community portion of the site at the end of 2007. I am a zealot about positive reinforcement-only dog training and want everyone to enjoy their dogs as much as I enjoy mine -- without using pain or fear of any kind in dog training. I live in Chicago with my wonderful wife, Cassy and our two Collies, Ranger and Trooper, and our Shetland Sheepdog, Linus.

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